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Reality Check

April 02, 2003 by Steel Phantom

D-backs Redux:

Reality Check:

 

Draft gurus make their bones by accurately predicting where any given prospect gets selected in any given draft.Hit and it�s �value�, or BPA; miss and it�s a �reach� for which any given teams� FO may then be excoriated.In contrast, personnel directors are looking for players; that so a �reach� that proves out is of far greater value than some BPA who busts.

 

Let�s look at the some past prospect lists, focusing on DB since that remains the Steelers� area of greatest need.The following tables display D-back prospects from the classes of 1998,1999, 2000 and 2003; the rankings shown are overall (regardless of position) as the Huddle Report(s) of those years had it.Boldface in the �98-�00 columns indicates those players who both would have been available at 1.27 or 2.59 and (subsequently) proved out.

 

Prospects as ranked:

 

1998, 16 in top 80.

1999, 12 in top 100.

2000, 14 in top 100.

2002, 17 in top 100.

Rank

Player

Rank

Player

Rank

Player

Rank

Player

3

Charles Woodson

2

Champ Bailey

24

Deon Grant

5

Terence Newman

15

Shaun Williams

11

Chris McAlister

28

Ahmad Plummer

10

Marcus Trufant

21

Brian Kelly

23

Antoine Winfield

30

Delthea O�Neal

18

Andre Woolfolk

22

Duane Starks

31

Fernando Bryant

36

Rashad Anderson

29

Mike Doss

23

Corey Chavous

34

Antwan Edwards

42

Ike Charlton

32

Troy Polamalu

27

Terry Fair

46

Dre Bly

47

Barrett Green

36

Dennis Weathersby

32

Tebucky Jones

53

Anthony Poindexter

51

Lewis Sanders

38

Rashean Mathis

36

RW McQuarters

55

Fred Vinson

55

Dwayne Goodrich

52

Sammy Davis

40

Patrick Surtain

57

Charles Fisher

66

Mark Roman

53

Eugene Wilson

41

Donovin Darius

69

Mike McKenzie

69

Ben Kelly

55

Julian Battle

43

Cordell Taylor

84

Daylon McCutcheon

77

Hank Poteat

57

Ken Hamlin

47

Tony Parrish

95

Marquis Smith

83

Rogers Beckett

63

Kevin Garrett

50

Ramos McDonald

 

 

87

Gary Berry

78

Drayton Florence

52

Roosevelt Blackmon

 

 

88

Mike Brown

95

Terrence Holt

60

Samari Rolle

 

 

 

 

96

Rod Babers

79

Robert Williams

 

 

 

 

97

Ricky Manning

 

 

 

 

 

 

99

DeJuan Groce

 

Observations:

 

  • First Round Reaches:Seven DB were taken in�98; those were: Woodson, Starks, Williams, Fair, Jones, Darius and McQuarters.Of those, (3) carried 2nd round grades; additionally, Starks (drafted at 1.10) must have been considered somewhat of a reach.Five DB were taken in the opening frame of �99; those were: Bailey, McAlister, Winfield, Bryant and Edwards.Of those, both Bryant and Edwards carried 2nd round grades and neither has really proved out.Only three DB were taken in the �00 first stanza; both O�Neal and Anderson were reaches though O�Neal has flashed.In sum, of eight first round reaches, perhaps four (Starks, Jones, Darius and O�Neal) have shown; Anderson and Edwards must be regarded as busts with Fernando Bryant and McQuarters somewhere between.Quite obviously, had any team �reached� for Surtain and/or Rolle in the 1st of �98, that 4 for 8 would be adjusted upward.

 

  • CB:Four lead, or #1, CB were drafted in �98; those were: Woodson, Starks, Surtain and Rolle.Of those, two were available at 1.27 as was Brian Kelly, an impact performer in the T-Buc system.Two lead CB were drafted in �99; both Bailey and McAlister were top ten picks.Mike McKenzie is a solid, big CB but somewhat south of a lead type and, as such, a far better value at some putative 2.59 (or in the actual slot, 2.55, where Scott Shields was selected).The other top CB in that class (Winfield, Bly and McCutcheon) are too small to take on the run support duty required in the Steeler 3-4.Of the very thin �00 class, only O�Neal has flashed as a lead CB though he�s been benched too.In sum, (7) #1 type CB were drafted in the 98-00 period; (2) were available at 1.27.

 

  • Safety:Three safeties were taken in the 1st in �98, one (Edwards) in �99 and none in �00.Over those three years, only Williams and Grant carried 1st round grades.Grant lasted into the 3rd where he was selected by Carolina and, subsequently, out-performed 1st round reach Rashad Anderson.Mike Brown must have been considered an extreme reach when the Bears took him at the top of the 2nd; however, Brown made the All-Rookie team and has proved out as a leader in that beleaguered secondary; much the same may be said for Rogers Beckett and the Bolts.That said, value at safety remains through the 1st day; IMO, Schulters is the best of the �98 class, Jackson of the (weak) �99 group and Wesley of the class of 2000.Those players were drafted in the 4th, 4th and 3rd respectively.

 

The Huddle Report�s prospect lists are as good as any, and better than most but, in general, these have been of dubious utility in projecting success pro-ward.(42) DB prospects are listed above in the �98-�00 top 100�s but as we will see only (23) have developed as starters.In contrast, the record indicates that (44) DB taken in those years have so developed; that is, the Huddle Report Hot Hundreds hit just on 23/44 starters, missing on (21).

 

In the table below, the terms �reach�, �value� and �BPA� are applied as may have been true just after draft day; there may be some irony in that.(NR) means no rating but actually references that this prospect was in the Second Hundred (or later in several cases).In some order approximating their performance, here are the players from the classes of 98-00 who have developed as starters.

 

Table of Starters (as listed in Ourlads):

 

1998, of 15 starters, 11 were top 80 prospects.

1999, of 13 starters, 7 were top 100 prospects

2000, of 16 starters, 5 were top 100 prospects.

2003, 17 worth considering.

3

CB Woodson, top 5

2

CB Bailey, top 10

30

CB O�Neal, 1st round reach

1

CB Terrence Newman

40

CB Surtain, 2nd round BPA.

11

CB McAlister, top 10

NR

SS Greg Wesley

(3rd round value)

2

CB Marcus Trufant

60

CB Rolle, 2nd round reach who proved out.

23

CB Winfield, mid-1st

24

FS Grant, fell to 3rd round and so was value.

3

SS Troy Polamula

22

CB Starks, 1st round reach at 1.10.

69

CB McKenzie, 3rd round BPA type

28

CB Plummer, late 1st BPA type.

4

CB Sammy Davis

NR

FS Lance Schulters

(4th round)

NR

FS Dexter Jackson

(4th round)

88

SS Brown, 2nd round reach who proved out

5

CB Kevin Garrett

41

SS Darius, reach in late 1st. but proved out.

46

CB Bly, 3rd round value.

NR

CB Jason Webster, 2nd round reach.

6

DB Nnmadi Asomugha

21

CB Kelly, value at top of 2nd.

31

CB Bryant, late 1st BPA type.

83

SS Beckett, a 2nd round reach.

7

DB Charles Tillman

15

FS Williams, BPA type in mid-1st

NR

CB Jason Craft

(5th round)

NR

SS Kenoye Kennedy, (2nd round) Could be upgraded.

8

CB Drayton Florence

32

FS Jones, mild reach at late 1st.

NR

SS Cory Hall

(3rd round)

NR

CB David Macklin, (3rd round reach) Starts but is an upgrade target.

9

SS Bryan Scott

NR

CB Eric Warfield

(7th round).Chiefs like him enough to have given a big extension.

84

CB McCutcheon, 3rd round value.

NR

CB William Bartee, (2nd round reach) Another upgrade target.

10

NCB Rod Babers

47

SS Tony Parrish, BPA type in 2nd round.

NR

FS K. Carpenter

(FA)

NR

CBMario Edwards (6th round).

11

FS Colin Branch

23

FS Corey Chavous, value in top of 2nd round.

NR

CB Jerry Azmuth

(5th round)

NR

CB Reggie Howard (FA).

12

SS Terrence Keil

36

CB RW McQuarters, mild reach in late 1st.

NR

FS Rich Coady

(3rd round)

NR

CB David Barrett,

(4th round value). Still, not exactly a dominator.

13

DB Jesse Sowells

NR

CB Artrell Hawkins

(2nd round reach)

 

 

NR

SS Arturo Freeman (5th round) Started in Miami but has received little interest in FA.

14

NCB BJ Tucker

27

CB Terry Fair

 

 

NR

FS Mike Green

(7th round).Bears need an upgrade here.

15

NCB Blue Adams

NR

FS Izell Reese

(6th round)

 

 

NR

SS David Bowen

(6th round).Skins will upgrade.

16

SS Jeremy Shabazz

 

Taylor, McDonald, Blackmon and Williams either are scrubs or out of the league.

 

IMO, Edwards, Vinson and Smith are scrubs; Poindexter and Fisher are out of the league.

 

Anderson, Charlton, Green, Sanders, Goodrich, Roman, Kelly, Poteat and Berry have yet to develop.

17

CB Leigh Bodden

 

10 to 13 of the players on the �98 list could be described as quality starters, fewer, maybe 8-10 of the �99 class get the same moniker but even that figure dwarfs the class of 2000 where no one after Rogers Beckett (#7 above) could get the nod.There are (11) NR safeties and (10) NR CB listed but the quality is with safeties like Schulters, Jackson and Wesley.The top NR CB, Warfield and Webster, are not in that class.This suggests that it�s CB early or not at all; that conclusion is identical that reached previously in So you want to draft a QB?

 

Leaving the DB and the 50/50 mark achieved by prognosticators there, consider the prospect ranking of some of the players picked by the Steelers in the years �98-�00.

 

1998

1999

2000

Rank

Player

Rank

Player

Rank

Player

34

Jeremy Staat

18

Toy

5

Spike

42

Alan Faneca

45

Kris Farris

31

Marvel Smith

60

Chris Conrad

50

Amoz

61

Danny Farmer

68

Hines Ward

75

Joey Porter

77

Hank Poteat

71

Fu

81

Jerame Tuman

 

 

 

 

88

Aaron Smith

 

 

NR

Townsend, Simmons

NR

Scott Shields (well, that was right!)

NR

Clancy, Haggans.

 

Staat, Conrad, Edwards, Farris, Shields, Farmer and Poteat busted; of those, only Shields could have been considered a �reach� where drafted.Your other �reach� is Faneca but, of course, Alan proved out.Farris and Farmer were huge �values� but again, that didn�t develop though other such: Ward, Fu, Amoz, Tuman and Aaron Smith rewarded the designation, more or less.Results were similarly mixed for players picked �where they should have been�:Porter, Spike and Marvel Smith made the value nut but that can�t be said for either Staat or Conrad.

 

We can talk about �value� and BPA but the record shows little reality attaches to that distinction.That is, there is little proven operational difference between �reach� and �value at the spot.�For example, in �98 CB like Fair, McQuarters, Chavous and Kelly were drafted ahead of Surtain and Rolle and, while, that did follow form, form did not predict performance.That said, there are observable broad slot effects; after Rolle was drafted at 2.46, only (1) more CB taken (Eric Warfield) developed as a starter.As demonstrated here (and previously), it�s early or not at all at CB but any time is the right time at safety.

 

The last is true for QB too though, hilariously, some of the glittering jewels in the local sport chat or print media are citing Tommy Maddox�s age as a factor in the Steelers� draft process.That�s ludicrous; there is no position on the field where age matters less than at QB. In fact, age (or experience) has been a positive for many players at the position to include: Gannon, Garcia, Brad Johnson among others.In contrast, DB generally die the death at 30 or so.The following Steelers are ordered by birth date, let�s do the numbers:

 

Brent Alexander, 7/10/71.

Tommy Maddox, 9/2/71.

Dewayne Washington, 12/27/72.

Chad Scott, 9/6/74.

Mike Logan, 9/15/74.

Charlie Batch, 12/5/74.

Deshea Townsend, 9/6/75.

 

Alex is older than Maddox but plays a young man�s position.Washington will be 31 before the 2003 season closes; looking ahead, both Scott and Logan will be 30 when the 2004 campaign begins (though Logan isn�t currently under contract for that season).Regardless, the age charge should be lodged were it belongs; that is in the Steelers� D-backfield.

 

That is the unit that presses the sal-cap too and, if you think the salary structure is misaligned at QB now, imagine a QB prospect at 1.27 getting, say, Kendall Simmons money.Drafted just past 27 last year, Simmons got a 3.2M bonus and hit the cap for 935.6K.That exceeds the pre-incentive 2003 hits for both Maddox and Batch; income-wise, that package exceeds any likely incentive-realized 2003 income for Maddox and Batch combined.�� Any 1.27 deal will dwarf the QB contracts but, in contrast, would be trifling compared to what DW and Scott haul down.Slot-wise, cap-wise, performance-wise, it�s going to be CB or safety, not QB.Get used to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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