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Re: President Obama

Postby thesteelhammer » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:40 pm

GodfatherofSoul wrote: Palin's problem was she was woefully unprepared and uninformed to be running for President.


She wasn't running "for President".
But you've never been one to let the facts (or truth) get in your way.

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Re: President Obama

Postby GodfatherofSoul » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:02 am

thesteelhammer wrote:
GodfatherofSoul wrote: Palin's problem was she was woefully unprepared and uninformed to be running for President.


She wasn't running "for President".
But you've never been one to let the facts (or truth) get in your way.


Sorry, my mistake. She was running for VICE President which in this country means you have to be qualified to be President. Thanks for quibbling, though.

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Re: President Obama

Postby thesteelhammer » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:37 pm

GodfatherofSoul wrote:Sorry, my mistake.


At least you apologize for your mistake - WHICH WE WILL ALL BE PAYING FOR, for years to come.

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Re: President Obama

Postby deathwind » Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:26 pm

Godfather, before you go off on palin, you should take a looooong look at our VP now. LOL

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Re: President Obama

Postby The Fan Of STEEL » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:21 pm

GodfatherofSoul wrote:
indysteel wrote:Of course, if he fails -- for whatever reason -- you'll her two excuses:

1. Bush left him just too damn big of a mess. Of course, this runs counter to EVERYTHING the prick said during the election. After all, if he can't fix it, why would we elect him.

2. Racism kept him down.

The excuses for failure are already built in.


LOL, so you're saying that the fucked up job that Bush (and his patsies in Congress) did will just be a lame Obama excuse in 4 years? Look around you, that's not just an excuse it's the REASON we're in the shitter. And, no one will blame racism. That's Limbaugh talking.


The republicans shot themselves by supporting Bush. Bush raped America and smiled about it. I love the fact that they are upset and whining about Obama. The bushies had their shot and blew it.

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Re: President Obama

Postby The Fan Of STEEL » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:24 pm

thesteelhammer wrote:
GodfatherofSoul wrote: Palin's problem was she was woefully unprepared and uninformed to be running for President.


She wasn't running "for President".



Are you sure of that? :celebrate:

She was trying to set herself up for a presidential run in the next election.

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Re: President Obama

Postby thesteelhammer » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:46 pm

FOS,

while you're reading minds and predicting futures, how about some lottery numbers?

Blame Bush & the GOP all you want, the D's controlled congress, then and now.

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Re: President Obama

Postby The Fan Of STEEL » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:55 pm

thesteelhammer wrote:FOS,

while you're reading minds and predicting futures, how about some lottery numbers?

Blame Bush & the GOP all you want, the D's controlled congress, then and now.


Really? The dems controlled congress? Wow.

The dems did not take the majority in the house and senate until 2006. Nobody had control but the dems do hold the major majority now. Hopefully they will take advantage of that and turn this country around and away from most of the bush/cheney/rightwing nuts fuckjob they have done to America.
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Re: President Obama

Postby The Fan Of STEEL » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:56 pm

BTW, nobody is reading minds or predicting futures. I'm just talking about the past. Bush and company raped America. If you want to follow Rush Limbaugh, that is your problem.

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Re: President Obama

Postby thesteelhammer » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:55 pm

and it's 2009 now.
You don't need a super- majority to pass legislation.
Or to refuse to pass the legislation you are blaming on one party.
(Who mentioned Rush? You are the one pushing a party line here.)

PORK is the problem, and it isn't unique to either party.

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Re: President Obama

Postby GodfatherofSoul » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:01 am

thesteelhammer wrote:and it's 2009 now.
You don't need a super- majority to pass legislation.
Or to refuse to pass the legislation you are blaming on one party.
(Who mentioned Rush? You are the one pushing a party line here.)

PORK is the problem, and it isn't unique to either party.


Uh, the Dems had a razor thin majority and that's if you count Joe "I'm for McCain" Lieberman who was elected as an Independent. And, with the silly new filibuster rules it's very easy to bog down Congress. Don't you remember the Republicans obliterating the filibuster record between 2006 and 2008?

Plus, there's that little matter of the Presidential veto. Bush was sitting there to block anything that came out of Congress anyway.

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Re: President Obama

Postby thesteelhammer » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:52 am

GodfatherofSoul wrote:Uh, the Dems had a razor thin majority .....
Plus, there's that little matter of the Presidential veto. Bush was sitting there to block anything that came out of Congress anyway.


What a bunchs of BULLSHIT.
PLEASE TELL US ALL WHAT BUSH USED THE VETO ON?

Or are you saying because he might veto, congress gets a free pass and doesn't have to do anything, or have any responsibility?
Have some BALLS. Pass your legislation, if it is so great, the public supports it and the President doesn't veto it due to overwhelming public support.

Instead, the two parties traded favors. Bush got the dollars for his wars, and the Dems got their pet projects like acorn and legislation requiring banks to make loans to people who were bad credit risks just because they fit a certain demographic.

And what did we get?
WE GOT TO PAY FOR IT ALL, and we got screwed.

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Re: President Obama

Postby The Fan Of STEEL » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:06 am

thesteelhammer wrote:
What a bunchs of BULLSHIT.
PLEASE TELL US ALL WHAT BUSH USED THE VETO ON?




1. July 19, 2006: Vetoed H.R. 810, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, a bill to ease restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Override attempt failed in House, 235-193 (286 needed).

2. May 1, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1591, U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. Override attempt failed in House, 222-203 (284 needed).

3. June 20, 2007: Vetoed S. 5, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007.

4. October 3, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 976, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 ("SCHIP"). Override attempt failed in House, 273-156 (286 votes needed).

5. November 2, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1495, Water Resources Development Act of 2007.

6. November 13, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3043, Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008. Override attempt failed in House, 277-141 (279 votes needed).

7. December 12, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3963, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007.[20] Override attempt failed in House, 260-152 (275 votes needed).

8. December 28, 2007: Pocket Vetoed H.R. 1585, National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008

9. March 8, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2082, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008.[22][23] Override attempt failed in House, 225-188.

10. May 21, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2419, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill.[24][25] Overridden by House, 316-108 (283 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 82-13 (64 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-234 over the President's veto. Due to a clerical error, this act was repealed by Pub.L. 110-246.

11. 18 June 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6421, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill, re-passed by Congress to correct a clerical error in HR 2419.[26] Overridden by House, 317-109 (284 votes required). Overridden by Senate, 80-14 (63 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-246 over the President's veto.

12. July 15, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6331, Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act.[27] Overridden by House, 383-41 (283 votes required.) Overridden by Senate, 70-26 (64 votes required). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-275 over the President's veto.

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Re: President Obama

Postby thesteelhammer » Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:32 am

10. May 21, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2419, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill. Overridden by House, 316-108 (283 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 82-13 (64 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-234 over the President's veto. Due to a clerical error, this act was repealed by Pub.L. 110-246.

11. 18 June 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6421, 2007 U.S. Farm Bill, re-passed by Congress to correct a clerical error in HR 2419.[26] Overridden by House, 317-109 (284 votes required). Overridden by Senate, 80-14 (63 votes needed). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-246 over the President's veto.

12. July 15, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 6331, Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act.[27] Overridden by House, 383-41 (283 votes required.) Overridden by Senate, 70-26 (64 votes required). Enacted as Pub.L. 110-275 over the President's veto.


THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT.
Here are 12 pieces of legislation vetoed by the last administration.
BUT ONE QUARTER OF THEM - 25% -BECAME LAW DESPITE THE PRESIDENTIAL VETO POWER THAT WAS USED AN EXCUSE FOR THE DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS FROM 2006-2008 somehow not being at all responsible for the mess things are.

FACTS ARE THAT BUSH VERY RARELY USED THE VETO POWER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes
President -Regular Vetoes -Pocket vetoes -Total vetoes -Vetoes overridden - % vetoes overridden
Calvin Coolidge 20 30 50 4 8%
Herbert Hoover 21 16 37 3 8%
Franklin Roosevelt 372 263 635 9 1%
Harry Truman 180 70 250 12 5%
Dwight Eisenhower 73 108 181 2 1%
John Kennedy 12 9 21 0 0%
Lyndon Johnson 16 14 30 0 0%
Richard Nixon 26 17 43 7 16%
Gerald Ford 48 18 66 12 18%
Jimmy Carter 13 18 31 2 6%
Ronald Reagan 39 39 78 9 12%
George H. W. Bush 29 15 44 1 2%
Bill Clinton 36 1 37 2 5%
George W. Bush 11 1 12 4 33%


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Re: President Obama

Postby The Fan Of STEEL » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:29 pm

So you have no problem that he left our vets without the needed equipment? Or screwed Americans because of his hyperreligious attitude towards stem cell research?

What was it that was overturned by congress? Lets see....

The US farm bill.
Once again, the US farm bill.
Medicare improvements

Look at what he put to pen to veto.

There is a reason Bush is so unpopular. He screwed AMERICA. I understand it is hard to take for republicans to admit that they voted for the guy that took our country to it's lowest point in many years.

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Re: President Obama

Postby thesteelhammer » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:44 pm

Try reading more than the name of the Bills.
Just cause it's called something, doesn't mean that is what it does, or that is all it does, or that it is the best way to accomplish it.

I'm less concerned with the past.
And more conerned with the present and future.

We’re only 50 days into the Barack Obama Presidency, and:

-Obama is on track to spend more money than any person in the history of the planet.
-Obama and Pelosi’s stimulus bill was the largest spending bill in the history of the planet.
-Obama and democrats have already saddled America’s children and grand children with massive debt. Not that this bothers them.
-The Obama stock market had its worst January in 113 years.
-The stock market had its worst February since 1933.
-The Dow dropped faster under Obama than any other new president in 90 years.
-Obama’s budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, and adds more to the debt than all previous presidents — from George Washington to George W. Bush — combined.
-Obama managed to spend more than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
-Obama will quadruple the deficit this year.
-He’s lost at least 3 administration nominees due to tax fraud.
-He’s promoted a tax cheat to run the IRS and Treasury.
-He’s reneged on missile agreements with allies Poland and the Czech Republic.
-Democrats already banned offshore drilling.
-Democrats scrapped oil and gas leases in Utah for energy development.
-Obama’s party permanently banned drilling in ANWR.

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Re: President Obama

Postby The Fan Of STEEL » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:54 pm

thesteelhammer wrote:Try reading more than the name of the Bills.
Just cause it's called something, doesn't mean that is what it does, or that is all it does, or that it is the best way to accomplish it.

I'm less concerned with the past.
And more conerned with the present and future.

We’re only 50 days into the Barack Obama Presidency, and:

-Obama is on track to spend more money than any person in the history of the planet.
-Obama and Pelosi’s stimulus bill was the largest spending bill in the history of the planet.
-Obama and democrats have already saddled America’s children and grand children with massive debt. Not that this bothers them.
-The Obama stock market had its worst January in 113 years.
-The stock market had its worst February since 1933.
-The Dow dropped faster under Obama than any other new president in 90 years.
-Obama’s budget more than doubles the national debt held by the public, and adds more to the debt than all previous presidents — from George Washington to George W. Bush — combined.
-Obama managed to spend more than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
-Obama will quadruple the deficit this year.
-He’s lost at least 3 administration nominees due to tax fraud.
-He’s promoted a tax cheat to run the IRS and Treasury.
-He’s reneged on missile agreements with allies Poland and the Czech Republic.
-Democrats already banned offshore drilling.
-Democrats scrapped oil and gas leases in Utah for energy development.
-Obama’s party permanently banned drilling in ANWR.


Perhaps you should have been

" less concerned with the past,
and more conerned with the present and future"

when Bush was the president.

Considering the crap hole Bush left our country with, Everything else you posted I and most Americans are glad Obama and Pelosi are doing.

It is comments like you just made that make me compare you to Rush Limbaugh and what he believes.

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Re: President Obama

Postby thesteelhammer » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:02 pm

There you go again blaming just one man for the past, when your party controlled congress for the last 2 years.

The Fan Of STEEL wrote: Everything else you posted I and most Americans are glad Obama and Pelosi are doing.


Who appointed you spokesperson for what most American's think?
Just cause you drank the kool-aid and can't get Barry's dick out of your mouth, doesn't mean that others aren't re-thinking the decision they made back in November.

One Big Ass Mistake America

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Re: President Obama

Postby The Fan Of STEEL » Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:18 pm

thesteelhammer wrote:There you go again blaming just one man for the past, when your party controlled congress for the last 2 years.

The Fan Of STEEL wrote: Everything else you posted I and most Americans are glad Obama and Pelosi are doing.


Who appointed you spokesperson for what most American's think?
Just cause you drank the kool-aid and can't get Barry's dick out of your mouth, doesn't mean that others aren't re-thinking the decision they made back in November.

One Big Ass Mistake America


Obama's ratings agree with my assessment.
The only ones that are re-thinking their choice in November are the republicans.... And they are saying..... was McAnus and Palin our best shot? There was a clear choice between Obama and McAnus and America made the choice.

I'm not a spokesperson for America, I'm just telling you the facts as they are laid out for everyone to see. You just don't like it.

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Re: President Obama

Postby indysteel » Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:32 pm

Yeah..sure gotta hand it to Obama.

'Ole numbnuts been telling us for weeks now the economy is in the shitter and, arguably, it is. In fact, he used the state of the economy to get his socialis...err...stimulus bill passed. Now, holy smokes Batman....numbnuts comes back and tells us everything is fine and stable. Which one is it? Never mind, I can figure it out for myself.

In fact, he IS BLAMING BUSH for the problems. Geez....what a sophomore approach. That was prediction # 1.

Fact is Obama is THE PRESIDENT. It is HIS JOB to figure this shit out. Listening to him while on the trail, this guy sounded like a miracle worker. Well, working your magic Obama.

Most people now are realizing Obama for what her really is - six-years removed from being a street organizer in Chicago who never ran a lemonade stand, let alone the USA. Nothing more, nothing less.

I suppose if you are wanting and expecting a handout, you'll defend him.

And what in the hell has Rush Limbaugh have to do with anything? That guy does get under the libs / Dems skin though. Kinda hilarious.

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